J: Yeah sometimes, I do an open mic night. Which is: I decide what day and what time it is going to
be based on what is going on in New York and we invite a lot of people and announce it across
corporate social media and through email and through word of mouth. And we tell people to ask
people, tell people this is the discreet time and space where this thing is going to happen and it is an
open mic and then people arrive I have already had too much to drink and I make a long list of who
wants to do what and then we let people do that until they cross a line collectively, or break a rule or
whatever… or they go on too long. So it’s one version of production. It goes on as long as everybody
goes on or the police show up. What is another interesting way of producing?
A: I like when we went apple picking, I thought that was an event and unexpected camaraderie like I
guess grew stronger with a group of people. You know, apple picking is that thing that everybody
wants to do in the fall. And why not make it together, why not do it together? Just renting out a van
and asking people that maybe have seen each other maybe once, maybe twice maybe never at the
J: Two vans
A: Two vans, to get together for a few hours apple pick and come back and feel a little closer to this
J: Oh yeah we made apple pie which is the most delicious thing possible out of an apple picking trip
thats art but then nobody ate it and it stayed along for a long time.
A: how sturdy are we about our walls, and it turns out it is not too bad.
J: Yeah I mean that is a little bit of the sober version of picking a time to do something. And there is a
lot of like, I rented two vans and asked people to email me. But that seemed, Wochenklausur, did
you guys interview them on your roster, I know they did a project a long time ago in Amsterdam that
was, and it was more complicated than this, but it was putting two different groups on a boat
together and they just happened to be on a boat and even though we went apple picking which has
no intrinsic pedagogical capital value, or pedagogical value or capital value, there were a lot of artists
stuck in a van for two hours who otherwise would not have been in a van together. And it wasn’t
because they were friends per se, it was because they wanted to be artists with other artists and go
apple picking, in equal measure. As annoying as it was to drive the van, I was privileged to have a lot
of conversations with van full of artists who otherwise wouldn’t be having the conversation. So that
is like a really simple production.