A: I think we just, try to be as honest and as open as possible. Like everything you see, all the mess
that is around is like very much us and at the school it is the same way. You know? We have an open
kitchen kind of mugs everywhere it’s… I think we are just presenting ourselves as people.
J: Yeah presentation I don’t think we have like a wholesale strategy. There aren’t a lot of decisions in
the beginning. So, if you want to start here, this presentation was a collaborative effort between the
three of us – two or thee students and then whoever is in the space, basically. And the rules of that
game are ever shifting and only to find themselves when they start being broken, so there is a very
wide berth. To maybe rephrase what Andrea said. I think yeah, honestly, it’s a really important one
and it is off putting. This is our office, we are working 8 plus hours a day here and there is an
honestly to that, the three of us sitting around this table doing the thing we do which is be friends,
be artists and write emails. And pick images (laughs). But at the same time, some of the Mise-En-
Scene of the room is inviting, which can also be off putting. So something like a chalkboard with
chalk all around it at an art fair, calling itself a school is to complicated to understand in like a neoliberal
consumer mind. People don’t know if they are to contribute or to consume, if they are here
to be exploited or to contribute. So I think balancing those anxieties, those positive and negative
elements of our presence and our honestly being complicated by the context, the multiple contexts
we are nested in is always what is going on.
A: It is almost like everybody is frightened at the idea of being able to do it themselves, or how
normal and how human it feels. That is what I have experience personally. People just don’t want to
believe it. It needs to be a higher step, it’s an art and it’s a something. It is just kind of us – you and
me. You could do it – this could be your table.
J: Yeah, this is maybe my agenda a little bit but when it is not clear who is being exploited or who is
benefitting, people have an anxiety as a viewer and it’s, I won’t say we are not doing neither, but it’s
not exactly wearing it on it’s sleeve. Who is being exploited and who is benefitting.