J: God, I wish it was the shorter list like, what can’t an artwork be. Yeah I mean, again, I think to loop
back on the definition earlier it’s like you know, with the right context I think anything could be an
artwork. That is a very optimistic way of looking at it. You know, I wouldn’t want to live in a world
where a collective murder is considered an artwork but,… you know, I would listen to that proposal.
A: Well I made this thing actually, over the summer and I love it because it makes me think of Joe
like talking to me about it and it’s this piece that I made it’s a there. It’s melted candle wax on a
pedestal kind of dripping with a number candles 1492 on the top. So like, melted into it. And it’s
something I was thinking about, you know a lot of Colonialism and memory of what these tangible
commercial objects that stand for birthdays and dates meant. But, I remember I had this whole
history of like artwork and fire and all these things. And I remember we were really drunk one night
like super late and we were just sitting in front of the thing that was in front of us. This pedestal. You
like turned around and were like, how did you feel about making an art work with fire and I
remember at the time I didn’t even think about it because I was so engrossed in it and it was a punch
in the face and it made me realize what I was doing. That was cool.
J: If you are presupposing that an artwork is a discreet object or an event with a beginning and an
end I would say, I am pretty sure we know where this artwork begins but we are not sure where it
ends so, in any given point and space and time. It looks a little different as it’s progressing and always
changing. If you are asking for the shape of it in space and time, where the politics begin and end
what part of it is art and what part of it isn’t art because a lot of the work and labour of it in terms of
production which on good days you feel is the highest point of art and on a bad day you feel like
email. Those are all part and parcel and it is an ever-shifting balance of figuring out what percentage
of which email is an art practice and what percentage of an email is… email.